That's a very good point. I know that a lot of people on here like Amber a lot, so sorry in advance, but I can see Amber having another kid for the same reasons Jenelle did. A) to trap a man B) to prove how much she's changed and C) to have another chance to have those early mother and child moments that she missed out on.

Jeeze, I really hope not. It's one thing if she accidentally got pregnant and decided to try and make it work. But to plan a pregnancy for any of those reasons is just vile (like Jenelle).

I could see Amber having more kids and getting at least shared custody back. I agree with what you're saying about her not being full time mom material in the past but she was also majorly doing drugs so I see that as being the reason why she seemed disinterested at times. But I guess we will see for sure when we see her in action again because that will really show where her priorities are as a mom.

Yeah, that is true. But I wonder if Amber turned to drugs specifically because she couldn't cope with being a full-time mom to an infant. It doesn't seem like she has/had good coping skills or anything. I don't know. If Amber ever does choose to have more kids, I hope it's years from now, after she's had a very long time to stay sober and deal with all of her demons. Having a baby right now, when she's really only started to get on track, would be a disaster.

OH YOU WILL AYM. God it never gets old.

@Catelynn's Carly Blanket

Well Amber had started abusing drugs a few years before she got pregnant (though claims to have stopped during pregnancy) and things didn't turn into a full blown addiction until after the birth of Leah. I'm sure the stresses of motherhood played a role in her addiction, but I think the pressures of fame, her bad childhood, and her turbulent relationship with Gary were other enormous factors too. I'm not trying to make excuses for her, sorry if it sounds that way. Yeah I think motherhood was a catalyst to her downfall along with other things, but it's just my perception that the other things were maybe the biggest factors overall. I think that now with her sobriety and (hopefully) better coping skills, she can be a good mom.

I also am compelled by that even in season 4 of Teen Mom when she was clearly majorly fucked up, you could tell she always loved her daughter deeply, even if she didn't act like it and put her addiction first. Whereas with Jenelle for comparison, she always seemed to be disinterested in her son before, during, and after her addiction to hard drugs. I feel like Jenelle wants to prove people wrong, and that's alright I guess. Better to be disinterested and feigning it than to be disinterested and on heroin. But Amber seems to be much more maternal than Jenelle.

I'll give you that---Amber is more maternal than Jenelle. And, yes, there were probably other factors that led to Amber's downfall. But I still don't see her becoming a full-time mom, at least not for a long while. She has a long ways to go before she can really be 100 percent better. I'll guess we'll see how she acts in this upcoming season.

Yea Amber is a lot nicer than Jenelle and more maternal for sure, she just can't handle crazy amounts of pressure like a screaming baby. I know Gary on top of it was making it stressful too but shit. I'm sure AYM is a good mom to Leah now that Leah is a child and not a screaming baby.

I definitely agree that Amber needs more time to develop into a full time mom and even more time if she wants to have another baby. Hopefully she'll be one of the few Teen Mom and Teen Mom 2 stars that waits longer!

I don't have a lot of major hope for Amber. I think she's come a long way, don't get me wrong. I just think she has a lot of stuff stacked against her and falls into bad habits quite easily. Fuck, she's already got a matching tattoo with another dude before she'd even been out of prison for a year and had released a statement to Starcasm like a month previously that they weren't dating and they were taking things slow but she thought she was in love. She has a very addictive personality.

I don't think she'll go back to how bad it got before she went to prison, but I dunno. It's telling to me that she CHOSE prison because she knew she couldn't get sober otherwise. But, it's also telling to me that right after getting out of prison, she still pulled the whole "I just got out of PRISON because of things that happened between me and YOU, Gary!" shit on Gary. Gary's a douche cannoli all the way but if she couldn't take enough time and self reflection in 17 months of prison to understand that she was in there because of HER OWN decisions, I dunno what will help her understand that.

Am I a horrible person for not giving a FUCK about her recovery and not wanting to hear about gel, and wishing that FARRAH Was on the show over plain old aym? Like when I heard she was sober blah blah I was super happy for her cause I like her, but it is ALL we are going to have to hear about and I just don't. fucking. care.

I respect her for getting sober and knowing when she couldn't help herself. However, I don't agree with her decision to film IMMEDIATELY upon release from prison or her constant focus on remaining relevant via social media, magazines, TV interviews and ESPECIALLY signing on for the original Teen Mom reboot. She knows damn well that the access to money and perks that she received by being part of this franchise encouraged her addictions. Drugs, fame, attention, what I believe to be very unhealthy weight loss and making excuses for her anger issues and violence and I think she's an idiot for throwing herself back into it seemingly without a second of consideration for how it would affect her sobriety and focus on her child who didn't have a mother present for a year and a half during important years in her young life.

Part of staying sober is keeping yourself away from the situations and people that enabled and encouraged your addictions. In that respect, she is failing miserably. I know that's all very harsh and judgmental and I honestly hope she causes me to eat my words by showing that she truly has matured and stepped up (ironically by doing so on television.)

Prove me wrong and I'll respect that.

I thought amber was one of the worst moms I've ever seen. For the first year of her life poor Leah never got to come out of her play pen!! The only time amber even spoke to her baby was to trash talk Gary (yes I know the baby can't understand but still she can pick up on tone) at least janelle left her child with a responsible person when she f-ed off to do drugs... Amber should thank her lucky stars that nothing happened to Leah when she was too high to care for her/ was driving her around under the influence and that none of the dirt bags she brought around her daughter got the chance to molest her..

Sorry for the rant but honestly I think people over look a lot of ambers faults because they want to encourage her to continue to do better.. She has made some pretty huge mistakes and I don't know that a judge will ever grant her custody in the future

I never understood why Amber was attracted to Gary in the first place, call me a shallow bitch, but i really do NOT want to imagine them having sex :-/ maybe thats why she turned to drugs, haha, but seriously, im not a great supporter of therapy, but seems like Aym has too many issues she has to work on, maybe then she can get shared custody over Leah, she has more potential than Jenelle, her mood swings are of the charts :-/

@ Once a Cheato

The thing is if Gary lost a very significant amount of weight, I don't think he'd be half bad. Definitely not attractive, but passable as he doesn't have that bad of a face. Amber on the other hand is haggard. Sorry if I'm being mean but her face is seriously fucked up. She always reminded me of Ms. Piggy. So I don't think she's that far out of Gary's league honestly.

@ Jessica1991
Oh yeah, i totally agree with u on Amber, her face is just weird, and mostly coz of her eyes and lack of eyelids, add to that the humongous fake lashes, and the 'i counted 1 mississippi, 2 mississippi, 3 mississippi in the spraytanbooth instead of 1, 2, 3 like Ross' , weightissues, angerissues, etc, and her and Gary were actually a perfect match, but like i wrote, dont want to imagine either of them even having sex, like with my parents, they have 2 kids, so they had sex twice, haha

Totally agree

My faveourite Amber/Gary moment was the time they moved into the ski chalet looking place and Gary fell through the stairs.

OMG I LOL I LOVED THAT! I loved when he proposed and she's like WAHHHH the wording isn't right!!! And he was kneeling in the sand and he's like my knee is getting all fucking wet. LOL it was SO romantic! Oh God and I loved all his fucking Beatles worthy written songs on the guitar. I mean Jesus he should have won a grammy.

Oh gosh but my TOP FAVORRRRITE ever was when he bought balloons from that lady and she was like you must have really fucked up! And he said "I'm doing this as a nice GESTURE (WITH A HARD G)" and spelled the whole card wrong. His presents were fucking hilarious...they made that show.

OMG and one more...LOL when AYm was dating that pedophile looking guy fresh out of gel, and Gary bought Aym flowers and was like well I know he can't afford any and you deserve something nice. I was kind of like damn Gary, that was ballsy as fuck. Good job. He's horrible but you can't hate him that much cause he's so fucking entertaining.

It's kind of like Farrah. She's the shittiest person, but she's hilarious because she's so clueless. I swear, if there was some kind of Gary and Farrah show, with them as a pair of platonic roomies or something, I would watch it.

It's so much funny as it is sort of fucked up, but there was that one time Amber and Gary were having Easter dinner with Gary's mom, who turned out to have married one of Gary's best friends from childhood. So a guy that Gary grew up with and was presumably close to was now his stepfather. Totes awks.

Or how about the time Amber interviewed for a job at a salon and had to take Leah with her. Leah started acting up, and Amber was all, "I can multitask. I'm real good at multitasking". Then, literally, two seconds later, she goes, "Sorry, I can't concentrate when my daughter is acting up." And she ended up getting the job! Okay, it was totally because of the cameras, but I died during that interview. I've bombed some interviews in the past, but that made me feel so much better about my own job-related fuck ups. It's almost but not quite as good as Tyler's "I LOVE PIZZZZAAAAAA!" in that super girlish voice.

OMG LOL Teen Mom job interviews are so god damn hilarious. Do you remember Aubrey Wolters one for the pizza place? Christ...it was BAD. She had to do a fake phone call and just totally fucked it up, yet still got the job. And Kails at a restaurant was horrible. "Why do you want to work here." "CAUSE I NEED THE MONEY. I HAVE A SON."- in normal bitchy Kail voice. THEY ALL GOT HIRED THOUGH LOL! Oh Ayms interview at the salon pained me to watch, I felt so bad for her but yea it was hilarious.

Omg and when she took her GED test and failed miserably. "Are there smart pills I can take? I'm serious"

You guys forgot Jenelle's interview at daycare, because she's good with kids and never yells!

My favorite Amber quote - and one of my top teen mom quotes ever - is when she yelled at Gary, "Gary, we're fiancé now!" when he was doing something she didn't like.

I remember Amber's obsession with Marilyn Monroe. Like, MM was her spirit animal and she claimed she was trying to model herself after Marilyn. And then Amber was always wearing this black tutu thing everywhere. That was when her drug use was at its worst.

Omg lol and her phone contact..for herself.... "Plain Old Aym" and she was lying half naked on a sofa or some shit. Yea I remember the Marilyn Monroe thing...not someone you should model yourself after...wtf. LOL i don't remember the fiance thing!? I just know they got engaged like 90999342 times.

1) When Jenelle ran away to New Jersey with Keiffah funded by Babs' hard earned credit and then her voice over was something along the lines of "I think I might have lost my job because I missed a couple shifts when I went to New Jersey." She no-called/no-showed like three shifts, hadn't talked to her boss and was bitching about how they hadn't scheduled her for like a week and didn't understand why.

2) When Gary brought Cracker Barrel to Amber to kiss ass for her leaving him and told her he made the food, prompting her to ask, "Then why does it say Cracker Barrel on the container?"

The "Dance with me MOTHERFUCKER - GOD!" scene was when she and Gary were at that dance club on the beach in Daytona Beach and she was trying to "drop it like it's hot" and it was totally gross! Those two disgust me to no end, together or apart!

That was it. I know Amber told Gary to "DANCE MOTHERFUCKER" at least once. For whatever reason, I wanted to believe she said it to him when they where practicing for the wedding that never happened. Ah, well, such is life.

Oh, yeah, can't forget Amber's quest for the elusive GED. Seriously, what is with these girls and their inability to get even the simplest degrees? Between Amber, Maci and Chelsea, you'd think they were all vying for their PHDs in Neuroscience or something the way they whine about school. Also, there was no need for Amber to drop out of high school in the first place. I think she was only a couple months pregnant with Leah when she left school in her SENIOR YEAR. Plus, if my math is right, Amber would have only been a few months pregnant with Leah when she graduated. There was no need to leave school. I think she was just looking for an excuse to finally be done with it.

That might be the most repulsive/hilarious Teen Mom themed "screw you" ever.

Unless you're AYM or the "new girl" as Leah would refer to her as. I'm still so shocked how smart Leah was to inform her mom about that! "Dad has a new girl and she has a daughter named Carly" Good Lord! Her intelligence must have come from some distant relative.

I can't imagine it would be too pleasant for them either, but I suppose everyone deserves to have someone.

The logistics of Gary having sex with anyone hurts my brain...and probably hurts them. how are those girlses still alive?

I guess doggie style? I'm sure he has to find a way. This is America. Land of fat people, and people popping out babies. Surely there is a way. The nig question is why would anyone have sex with Gary? He doesn't even have that great personality thing going for him.

Didn't Gary one-time admit that he used Saran wrap in lieu of a condom? Gross gross GROSS. Dude is straight-up disgusting.

Why yes, he did. And then every female stops and thinks about the logistics of that, and vomits.

OK I DON'T ACTUALLY WANT TO KNOW OR THINK ABOUT IT. LOL! Omg the seran wrap, remember rhines face at that? I nearly died.

Rhine was disgusted and amazed that there were people having the sex with Gare Bear. Seriously, who could ever be that horny that they say yes to Gary and his saran wrap?!

Right? My vibrator is smarter than him. And much more attractive.

Lol, the saran wrap-issue, yes, why would he even mention it ??? Must be coz they dont make condoms that little ;-? Usually fat guys have an tiny dick, had quite a fat bf once, i fell in love with his personality, but the first time i saw his dick i was like, where is it ? haha, and maybe im a bitch, but was a main reason for breaking up later :-)

I believe she is classified as a Firewhisky Crotch considering her blood is probably permanently replaced by beer at this point.

Nope, red, that's an amniocentesis. The materniti one is just a simple blood draw!

i totally read that as Martini

"Hello Mr. Nipples Galore. I'm a 420 agent. The name is Evans. Jenelle Evans. Faken'...not aborted."

Oh lord, I remember reading that too. What a terrible name.

I think I actually prefer Lexus over Royce...

lol one of my best friends is named "Lexes"

Exactly, the brand Mercedes was actually named after the daughter of one of their biggest client when they were just beginning with the company.
Cant imagine the same thing for Audi though, haha

Eh, Mercedes I can handle because it's a legitimate name and it's also the name of a very well-known fantasy writer who was born in the 1940s. So there's that.

But "Royce" is just awful. There's something about it that makes my skin crawl for whatever reason. And to give that name to a little girl just makes it even worse. It's awful.

Lol, or maybe Alexus ;-)

I know Mercedes was once a royalty name..If I remember right it means lady of mercy in spanish- which is beautiful...but its just one of those names for me. I'm pretty sure every mercedes I've ever met was just.....trashy

I think Maci will be like Mackenzie and declare this hypothetical second baby to be her last child. Then she'll inevitably get pregnant again either to keep her new man or to get attention. After all, she has no problem ditching Bentley with his grandparents whenever she wants to go out. Like Mack, I think Maci likes the idea of having a kid than actually raising the kid.

Loll Mac. No more babies!!! *giggle* *is on millionth baby* *was pregnant when she said that*

I'm curious if her change is like the rest if the girls..
Maci= Alcohol
Amber= Pills
Cate= counselling (and weed)
Farrah= Sex
And teen mom 2
Jenelle= Weed/Heroin
Leah= Pillses
(Chelsea seems to have gotten over Adumb with new boy, and then there is Kail who has become abusive over the years.)

I see addictions.

Goddammit if we find out at the next reunion that Chelsea fucked Adumb again when she was on a break from this new guy or something, I might finally lose all hope for her and her future. And especially for Aubree's future without daddy issues galore.

Maci keeps on changing her major, first it was journalism, then creative writing, then radio and probably something else, I am not defending Maci in any way, but most community colleges are screwed up, I was supposed to finish with my A.S. In human services in 2013, but because of the program at my college was screwed up, it would had taken my 6 years instead of 2, I have befriend many in the program and some have been there for 5-8 years only 2 actaul graduate in the 2 years because there where the head of the departments favorites, I am currently going to graduate with my A.A. In liberal arts this may

Oh my god yes, she bombed so bad in those after shows she hosted, it made me wonder if she had even taken an interviewing or public speaking class in all the years she's been in school. She just doesn't strike me as someone who would be successful in that field. I think she just thinks she has an edge over others because of her fame. Kailyn also.

I feel like Kailyn might actually be slightly more personable than Maci. There have been accounts from people who have met her, and said she's friendly. She also actually seems to give a shit about school, unlike Maci. I can see Kailyn using MTV as a stepping stone for her career, as opposed to Maci who would use it as her career at it's peak. I totally think Kailyn making it in journalism/broadcasting/whatever is a longshot, but Maci making it work long term is next to impossible.

I love accents, so I don't mean to be rude when i say this but the way she talks is SO distracting. It doesn't even sound like a TN accent it sounds like someone faking a southern accent. It's not appealing for TV but neither is her fivehead.

Lol at her fivehead, that is never not funny :) Sometimes I really think people ham up their accents for tv, though. One their voiceovers, they always sound infinitely more southern.

They do it's so crazy! Maybe Maci also hams up her fivehead for us.

Agree completely, Maci needs the other type of AA.

On the Southern accent thing, sometimes it's a result of nerves or being flustered. Most people with Southern accents naturally have a thicker one than they use in daily conversation because they try to model their speech more on a general American accent so they don't seem like a "hick" or something, but at times it fights its way through. It's why so many Southerners sound more redneckish when they get really mad or nervous or upset. When I was little I had a thick accent and I talked really fast, so I sounded like a little girl Boomhauer and I ended up having to go to speech class because of it and now I can usually talk in a much more understandable way with my Florida Cracker accent and if I try I can almost completely get rid of the accent all together, but if I have to do a speech or something in front of a bunch of people or meet somebody important it starts to thicken up and when I try to stop it it just makes it worse and it's kind of embarrassing. I know a lot of people that are the same way. It also happens when you have to read something out loud because you try to enunciate your words more clearly and it just ends up drawing a lot of attention to the fact that you're pronouncing the words differently than most people do (so that might be why all the Southern girls sound the way they do in their voiceovers). Of course, some girls might just think playing up the accent makes them seem more endearing or something, or like a sweet little innocent Southern Belle.
The amount of mass media in our daily lives also contributes to the loss of distinct dialects of Southern accents, so nowadays a lot of Southerners have a more standardized accent rather than the unique dialects that their parents and grandparents speak. I blame modern country music for the "overboard-ness" of today's Southern accents.
I've been on a bit of a language kick lately, especially concerning the history and the future of the English language and its dialects. lol.

You do!!! Yea shit I probablt would have more energy at a young age, I just wouldn't have had my shit together at all. it's a trade off.

I think age DOES matter, because if I didn't I'd be like Autumn who says 11 year olds can be good moms cause they can mow lawns (lol) but yea like a super young adult can still be a good mom. SOmeone underage, someone who can't even get a job or drive around...no sorry.

Definately don't agree with anyone having a child that young! Especially when they can't even get a job. I meant more like 18-25 lol.

Yea for sure. I just hate when people liek autumn say OHHH age doesn't matter mow the lawn! Fucking god lol. I still think 18 is superrrr fucking young but yea it doesn't necessarily mean they'll be a bad parent.

You have some haters meth pipe! Lol

Haha her and I always have the same amount of thumbs down. It's just a stupid worthless cunt that can never reply. Lol what cowards...

It doesn't bother me Macks. I know it's Extravagent and her mate Messer Bush. Haters gonna hate! Get a life ladies *cough, losers, cough*

Jesus guys, stop right there. You don't need to start calling names just for a couple thumbs down. Megan addressed this so please stop. I really feel uncomfortable with you always saying everyone is a cunt, worthless piece of shit, that they should eat a dick, among other awful stuff. Is that really necessary?

Well sorry I'll quit mentioning it. Just wish they'd reply instead of the thumbs down. It is annoying. And people bitch thumbsabout down all the time but WHATEVER. IIt also pisses me off if someone shares a heartfelt story or is being nice and gets thumbed down for no reason..oh and i love being the only one getting bitched at about talking about it even though a lot of other people do too. And not that you give a fuck but I'm uncomfortable being stalked. So there's that. Yell at them lol.

TTB being real, when people do respond it turns into a blathering on and on "well you're wrong for this" or "ypu're stupid for that", and then it ends up sinking into personal attacks. That isn't at all the premise of this site, when one goes on and on about differing opinions the topic is derailed and its a waste of time and bandwidth.

Just take the thumbs down in stride, just know that other posters have a difference in opinion than yours. If the thumbs down are just because of them disliking you personally, who really cares, its the internet and they have no effect on your real life.

As for the stalking claims, you're thirty some-odd years old; you have to know that if someone is threatening your personal safety you can go to the police. The most obvious piece of advice though is don't share your social media information on an open website, I can almost guarantee you your "stalkers" aren't even regular posters on this site, they just read the articles and comments.

You're too old to be complaining about foolishness like thumbs down though, real talk. And then you had the nerve to use the excuse "but im not the only one complaining, why are you just blaming me, they did it too". Combine that with the vitriolic way you manage to curse in every post, you come off much closer to an angsty preteen than someone who has been alive since the 80s.

TL;DR, grow up and get over it.

Im quite a newbie here, and it is quite obvious that TTB gets a hell of a lot thumbs down, even in this thread, someone says something, she/he gets 10 thumbs up, TTB writes 'I agree' she gets 11 thumbs down...ofcourse we're all old and wise enough and stand above it and take the high road, and the occasional thumbs down are fine, but this is just pathetic and aimed at TTB, id get pissed too after a while, just like TTB

It is very sad when grown women are always trying to say how much better they are than these moms, yet they aren't grown or mature enough to be able to post without one cuss word.

*eats popcorn*

What was the nasty comment made to Brittany then ?

THanks Once a Cheato (lol lovve your name) and again sorry for the rants. Exactly it just gets annoying sometimes. No matter whwat I say I can't win. Messer Bush not even getting roped into your crap or reading it. I think Extravagant and your other personality and I have a mutual understanding to just ignore each other. '
LOL and no idea what you're talking about with the Brittany jewel thing. She's a little attention whore who puts her shit all over Twitter and its funny , and honestly I forgot she existed until you mentioned her. I'm not apologizing for shit about that, not to mention 1000 other people talked about how dumb she is.

Reformed, I agree, but do you ever see me share my personal social media on here? No. I shared a picture of my cat once, thinking that it was private and then got the stalker from that. That was MONTHS ago I did that too. That's kkiind of like saying oh a girl shouldn't wear a short skirt if she doesn't want to get raped. I should be able to share a picture of my CAT without being told to kill myself. Thirty something years old, forty somethings years old, whatever I don't deserve to be harassed. So...I disagree. You don't have to care about it but don't tell me it's my fault that I'm being told to kill myself. I did say to myself that if it continues I will go to the police, absolutely.

Reformed makes a good point. Debates are cool, but when they get heated they turn into a weird back and forths of strange non sequiturs and crass insults. There are times that I wished we stayed on topic more. But I also love some of the funny things and cool info that we get sidetracked with. So conflicted!

The thumbs down is annoying, but I don't really mind it. I just wish it was like the "likes" on fb where you can see who thumbed up. That'd be a very easy way to clock tea!

And really people are mad I cuss when EVERYONE on this site cusses? I Love getting the flack for stuff everyone does on here.

Well, I don't mind taking a break until the show comes back anyway.

TTB so... You are saying it hurts your feelings when someone tells you to kill yourself, but you tell people to kill themselves a bit often? Alright then.

There is a difference between someone saying a cuss word then people like yourself just throwing one of there for no reason. Also, not EVERYONE cusses on here. I sure don't. It looks ignorant.

Keep trying to point the finger and get the heat off of yourself. You are supposed to be 30 years old, act like it.

Who on this site did I tell to kill themself?? MAYBE I said Jenelle should once or twice but that's because she's a shitty person but no one on this site...

I cuss about the situations on the show sure...dont' we all? Yea sometimes i get passionate about the situations and the crappy parenting. But Id on't anyones life on here and I'm cussing about the show...like I didn't realize cussing was so offensive...I've been on this site almost a year and it has never been a problem....

I've never gone on anyones instagram and commented about their body or their lifestyle or that they should kill themselves. So don't put words in my mouth. And if you're mad how I comment about the girls on the show ummmm you should be ranting at everyone. Not me. We're all very snarky on here if you haven't noticed...and that's what used to be fun about the site. Again. Break time and I'm shutting up. But I'm just saying I never said anything like that so I don't know where you're getting that from...

Where did I say you told people on here to kill themselves? I said you told PEOPLE. As far as I know, Jenelle is still a person. It doesn't matter if you think she is a crappy PERSON she is still a person at the end of the day.

I dont mind the cussing, usually its said in such a way it makes me laugh, its certainly never done out of 'i dont know what to say so ill resort to cussing and namecalling.
But on the Brittany Jewel thread 'im an extravagant father' was way worse, along with some others, ofcourse its not an excuse to join in then, but Brittany had no business being here, if Maci would suddenly appear on this thread its not gonna be nice either. And im sure Brittany has no new information whatsoever, she would've cashed on it already by now then :-/

TTB, You cannot be in your right mind if you just made an analogy to a young woman being raped due to her outfit to your e-stalking situation. I wholeheartedly agree that you need a break from this site, and maybe the internet in general to get a grip on reality.

As for the cursing, if you cannot accept the very valid criticism of your overuse of swears to address not only the teen moms, but other posters of this site, you're either obtuse or willfully ignorant. Either way, its ridiculous to continually hide behind the actions of others to justify your own. Did your mother never teach you the anecdote "just because someone else jumps off a cliff doesn't mean you should too"? Not to mention that, like a couple others have already said, you have a very malicious and crass way of commenting that goes beyond a few cuss words in passing; you curse like its going out of style and you'll never get to use the words again, or better yet like a teenager out of their parents earshot.

Again, I highly agree that you need to take a break from TMJ, you're getting way too deep into unnecessary drama. And you make alot of great observations and comments when they are on point and free of obscene language.

@ Bush
About the ' kids read this site' they can probably teach us some new words :-)

@ Bush, if you check Brit's twitter her tweets are either about how 'haters gonna hate' or about how 'yeah but he lied to me he said he was divorced' or more crap like that, i remember someone asking her on this site or twitter if he was at least well hung and she said no, well, thats the only 'new thing' she's mentioned thusfar.

Tyler's Trap Baby... you come across as a very unlikable person. Always so hostile, vulgar and rude. Whether it's true or not, you come across very mean spirited and miserable. I'm seriously shocked to hear that you're as old as you are.

And for the record, you have linked your name to Tyler's Trap Baby. It took me two seconds to find it since you donated to Megan's keurig fund. You donated with your real name and added This is Tyler's Trap Baby! So, it's really not that hard to know who you are and it's possible someone found you that easily. Just saying. You're not as important as you seem to think you are.

Guys, isn't this going a little bit far? I understand where TTB is coming from, everything certain members say gets downvoted and it is quite frustrating. I personally do not understand why people can't comment ... I understand why FB wont allow a dislike button now, it is a form of bullying. Constantly targeting someones post. I have noticed TTB commenting on posts of mine where i've had 10+ upvotes, maybe 1 downvote and then she comments that she agrees and then gets like 10+ downvotes. I'de feel pretty shitty too. I'de also like to add at REFORMED, I understand that someof the things TTB has said can come off as mean but I would like to add that sometimes humour can be misconstrued online, personally I haven't had a beef with anyone on this site, sure I differ with opinions from you all sometimes but it's bound to happen, I for one like the diversity of opinions and ways of life. But honestly I was hurt a while ago on here and it was silly, why should I care what people on here say or do? But in terms of her "not being in her right mind" to compare rape to stalking, stalking is a terrifying experience just like rape is, your personal space is invaded, you do not feel safe and they are both crimes. Also you guys seem to be getting on at TTB for calling names and making fun of people, what do you think this bombardment of posts is? About 5 members against 1? I'de also add that saying she isn't in her right mind, so that can be taken as you calling her mentally ill so things like jokes can be taken seriously online.
Why don't we just get up, shake hands and be friends again!
Also to add I do understand that because I'm agreeing with a certain member I'll get downvoted like crazy but my message is lets all get along .. we all have one thing in common ... teen mom lol.

No one is" against" TTB. She kept on saying she wish someone would comment instead of just down voting. So everyone did. They are explaining for why they down vote her.
No one is just going through, and slaughtering every single thing she says.

And to be honest, I think the point that one of the posters was trying to make about TTBs "stalking" is, she CAN in fact have it stopped, if she wanted it to be. But she keeps on posting here, and implying I am stalking her. When I have told her on numerous accounts I am not.

And the poster was right, TTBs online stalking, is NOTHING like getting raped. TTB can log off, change her privacy settings, and go to the police, before any harm comes to her. A rape victim can NOT, do these things to prevent being harmed.

No one is out to get her here, we are all here for fun, and so it should be just that. Fun. Not rude comments because you have a different opinion, name calling, personal attacks. That's what everyone has a problem with.

@EFather (I love your name btw, every time I read it I laugh) yeah I get that, totally do, but when looking at this post you see it as a gang of people against one, I wish there was a PM/DM on here so people can work it out privately so no one can kinda jump on the bandwagon.
Stalking is still equally terrifying and wow... she can just log off and leave, it isn't that easy. It reminds me of when domestic abuse victims get told to "just leave" it really isn't that simple. It gets inside your head and you don't want to log off because you end up wanting to see what they think and you start to take their word as truth. Some fear logging off because it might make the cyber stalkers come at them in real life and anyway why should she have to delete her accounts and log off, she didn't do anything wrong. Yeah she could block them and make her page private but again she might fear of real life repercussions. I'm sure you aren't stalking her BUT when you are stalked you become paranoid and start thinking of anyone that could do it and can come to the wrong conclusion but that isn't personal it is out of fear and out of paranoia.
I think you guys can work past it :) We have no reason to dislike people here!
PS does anyone know who I am in real life? I didn't realise some of you found out who each other are?

@Tm, I understand what you mean. B

Sorry my phone is acting up today. What I was trying to say is, I understand where you coming from.

But I didn't mean she should delete her account, I think she should either address this person, and/or ignore it and go to the police.

Also, we aren't ganging up on her. It was totally fine when TTB,Meth pipe, and a few others intentionally harassed me, but as soon as some one other than my self and bush, decided to say something to TTB, and Meth pipe, about continually calling me, and others names, after Megan addresses this very issue not once but twice. Now we are against her.

I think when some of the others seen someone else address the issue, they did too.

We all like TTB, and hopefully we can all get past it. Yes, it may seem little harsh, because everyone finally gave her, their opinions, but she add them to.
We didn't call her names, or criticize her. We simply told her how we felt.

I'm not trying to be rude, I hope it doesn't sound that way, I just want everyone to know we are simply just trying to help her.

P.s. thank you, I laughed so hard when Joe said that! Lol

Oh I for hot, I think all the girls that follow each other, always ask for pre mission before they do it.

I don't have any social media sites, so I don't follow anyone. :)

@Messer I'm sorry, honestly i dont pay attention to usernames that much, only if i notice a huge pattern and i know lots of usernames but don't really pin the username to their past posts if that makes sense? I haven't seen this in the past but I went through a stage of not really commenting much. It sounds to me like a lot of you are hurt by the same thing, feeling pushed out and picked on by other members on different teams. I think we could all be buddies again, I think it is kinda clear it is a big misunderstanding. Heck I bet the people doing the downvoting are lurkers and not commenter's, i have downvoted a few people but I tell them I did and tell them why and i've noticed a few other commenter's do this too. I bet those doing the downvoting are the girls on the show (not sure if I'm joking, I'm pretty sure some girls would do that) and lurkers who want to see a fight unfold.
Why can't it just be like how it was in middle school..... yes i'm not even american but it's a mean girls quote and i don't think "why can't it be like it was in primary school" has the same ring to it ha ....
Now someone tell me "you don't even go here" and it will make my sick day!

Spoken like a true Messer ;) ha

@ hate, "you don't even go here!" I'm jk :) lol, I agree about down votes!

I don't really comment on this site anymore but I do enjoy reading some of the viewpoints. Honestly, Tylers Trap Baby, you were amusing and witty at first..now you're getting a bit obnoxious. The whole "you're a cunt! You're a cunt! Suck my dick!" is enough to give me flashbacks of high school-level drama. My advice is to calm your shit because you bring up the same irrelevant debate every article.

I'm glad someone said something about TTB. She's really rude to people on here and even when talking about the girls, she takes it too far. Sure, we all criticize the girls but no need to say someone is a cunt or needs to die.
And TTB has been rude like that for a long time. I remember I said something this summer, i wasn't even responding to anyone and she told me to "pipe down". That was really rude and out of line and when I told her that she started cursing.
We can all argue our points without cursing and being vulgar and disrespectful.
I used to comment all the time here but TTB has made this place really difficult these last few months. I only comment from time to time now.

The worst is when she tells people to "suck a dick" because she gets down votes. I don't usually down vote comments but when I see comments like these, you can be sure I use the down vote button.

This place used to be really fun, I hope TTB and others who use the language she does try to be more respectful.

Ok. So I wasn't going to comment again. Just lurk until all the bullshit died off so we could move on. But I feel like I have to say something here cause I am a little pissed off.
Yes TTB and I have become "friends" off of here. We found one another via another site/article and put two and two together on who we were and we are friends. We have never met, both being on opposite sides of the world. And I can tell you she is a lovely person. She is blunt. She is caring and sweet and kind. Strong opinions. But I digress.
The common complaint here seems to be the use of the word cunt. Read further down. It's used by someone to describe Leah as a "cuntasorous" and not by TTB. There's also a comment that starts with "Fucking Fuck!" On here. And Speaking of dicks, someone else on here comments about Gary's being small and other dicks being small and on Gary's sexual functions/abilities. These things can also be interpreted as "offensive".
The way I see it, is if you come onto a public forum, expect to be "offended" There are lots of different people in the world who don't think the same way as you. If you don't like it, scroll on. If you have something to say-say it! But stop being so sensitive and taking shit so personally.
We used to snark on here a lot. Not at each other so much. But DEFINATELY at the girls. And even now some of you are upset by that.
I'm not trying to continue on this debate any further. But I feel like TTB is absolutely being picked upon for her use of cuss language which is unfair. As its all over this site by most.

Meth pipe, maybe you aren't understanding what the posters are meaning.

TTB, uses cuss words, a lot of us do. That's NOT the PROBLEM. The problem is, like everyone has stated, is TTB can not, have a reciprocal conversation, with anyone, about anything most of the time.

If your opinion differs from hers, then "you're a cunt, whore, dumb ass, stupid, and you need to pipe the Fuck down!"

No one is "PICKING" on her. Everyone has simply had enough of the outrageous name calling, she does. It's that simple.

Don't try to pretend that you are innocent at the name calling either. You are part of the fuel to TTBs fire.

You personally have sought me out, and TTB jumped in. That is getting picked on. Especially when I wasn't even posting to you or her.

TTB wanted her down votes to explain them selves, and now they have.

They didn't disrespect her, or call her names. They simply stated how they felt about her excessive urge to call everyone names. no one is picking on her.

Maybe you should take your own advice, and skip over this....

Livvy, don't stop posting because of them. That's not fair to you, or any of us that like having you here!!

I don't have a problem with TTB's cussing. I'm annoyed by the constant hostile remarks she makes about other posters, and I've also noticed a lot of body-shaming comments coming from her as well. One of the reasons I stopped commenting on this site was because of the unnecessary comments about weight, sexual orientation, and rude comments about children. I'm all for snarky commentary (especially when it's warranted *cough* Jenelle *cough* Nikkole), but every post lately includes TTB referring to another poster as a "cunt" or a "fucking whore." There are better ways to communicate, we're all adults here.

Guys this was sorted and resolved.
Have a cup of tea and lets forget about it... I think everyone involved has taken into account the comments and advice .. I for one will be more careful about how I word humour because I think sometimes I can come off as dry or mean when I'm going for funny sarcasm ha!

Not to sound rude, but it seems that everyone has had their say, so can we move on please? Don't get me wrong, Everyone is entirely entitled to voice opinions, but I feel as if it's now progressed into the "beating a dead horse" stage.

A moose just used the phrase "beating a dead horse" lol

Zing!

....I'll just go back to observing now

I feel like waiting a few days and reading comments and then deciding to reply is better than commenting out of anger. And I don't think it's flogging a dead horse just because I waited to comment. I'm entitled to voice my opinions also.
Extravagant. You say I'm the fuel to TTBs Fire. And I should "take my own advice and on" I find that insulting and like a passive aggressive way of telling me to fuck off. I never started on you. You started on me when your first ever comment to me was something you didn't like and you told me "I feel sorry for your children with a mother like you" Personal attack much? This was back when you were Gotta Be The Motha (which I see you've reverted too on new posts) This was one of your first ever posts. You don't know me! You also told a commenter "go sit on train tracks" Some of your own comments were just as disgusting as any I've ever read by Trap, if not more direct and personal and mean.
My point is you can't throw paper on the fire and then run crying that you are attacked.
I stated above that I couldn't give a shit about the thumbs down and still don't. But I felt like I should be able to give my opinion on what looked like a double standard when certain people are upset about what they deemed to be personal attacks, when they themselves have done the same.

Meth, this is the last time I am posting on this. I NEVER said "to go sit on train tracks" so...., wrong person. Also, you attacked me on many accounts, (go reread the posts), the first time I ever posted because I said "you should be ashamed of yourselves for making fun on a baby's head!", and that is what started this bickering between us.

Yes, I did say that to you, about your children having a mom like you. I found it very inappropriate that you as a mother would make fun of an infant's head. I didn't mean it as you were an awful mother, or a bad one. (I did apologize then, to you and TTB)

I am sorry I said that to you, I had no right.

Also, as Megan has stated, Making comments about the children are prohibited.

I am in no way playing the victim, I'm simply stating the facts. You and TTB were not very nice.

I should've ignore the both of you then. I wasn't being rude when I said you should take your own advice. I ment it for sake of this mile long internet argument. Sorry you took it that way.

I have nothing against you, or TTB, I'm sorry for the bad things I did in fact say to you, and her. But seriously, enough is enough. We are all grown women, we should act that way, and enjoy this forum. God knows we need a little us time! :)

I was wondering when any of the regular posters would notice this behavior. It was pretty apparent for me a long time ago, as a resident lurker.

It's good Megan finally addressed it. Something needed to be said.

The interwebz are a jungle. With or without lipstick.

I'm not as special as I think I am yet all any of you psychopaths are blathering on about are my social media and my age and other personal details about me. Lol I can't believe you remember what I sent to Megan on gofundme MONTHS ago and how I addressed myself. I'm here to stay so get the hell over it :) I'll be back once Where Are They Now is back anyway, not much to say about the carrot being pregnant anyway, or Leah's idiotic books, or your idiotic books which are probably just as bad as Farrah's, except they'll never be published. I won't mention thumbs down anymore, even though that is all you miserable ratchet cunts do on the next article. Hypocrites...keep talking about me :) And thank you to the non-assholes, I will try to calm my tits a bit more on my opinions but it doesn't change the fact that anyone cussing me out is doing the same exact thing.. You can all eat shit and thumb your assholes all you would like. I'm here to stay. And I was fucking 4 in the 80's so pipe the fuck down ass hat.

Glad you are here to stay TTB! I'm new to posting buy am a long time reader and you are always hilarious and spot on with most of your observations about the TM girls. Don't let a few bullies try and get at you. I bet it's someone with multiple accounts. I've noticed how certain people seem to reply one after another all the time and it pretty much confirms it for me that one member has more then one account here. Come back earlier if you can. Already you are missed. BTW you are about to be born. Did you see?

I agree that TTB gets overly hostile when someone disagrees with her; she'd done it at me before, but c'mon Extravagant you called me "stupid as they come" for not liking your aggressiveness on the Brittany thread. Your personal attacks toward me and everyone else on that thread were just as bad if not worse than TTB's so you have no room to talk about attacks or name calling. Funny how your tone totally changed since that article... I know I'm late to the party but I just had to say my piece. I also never liked the thumbs idea to begin with. It just encourages stuff like this to happen.

Well, yeah. Because Leah is a cuntasaurus. No shit no one will believe her.

Well I agree that no ones perfect, Leah makes herself look bad which in turn makes the Simms look better. Also the Simms don't like to air all their dirty laundry in public whereas Leah and her family seem to love the drama which again makes the Simms look better. Leah only has herself to blame for the publics perception of her, and also of Corey as the worse her behaviour gets the more Corey is revealed as the better parent.

I don't really have an opinion on the Simms one way or another. They seem to always be very supportive of Corey's decisions and have gone out of their way to help Leah many times when she didn't deserve it. They have retweeted a few things, but they seem to handle social media pretty maturely considering all the things Leah has said about them.

And Corey Tyler doesn't pays me the rights childs supportses for my girlses and poor Ali just needed a willchair and he wouldn't tell them insurance nobodys that I am leah messer Simms messer Calvert almost Kidd. So we had to waits for it and use a loaner which breaked cos it wasn't a $20000 one. Now I have to take Aleeah to get our nells done so it looks like I care about her too. And where's that pot I done put Addy in.....?

We are giving her too much credit. She would print off every TMJ article about herself, slap it in a binder and call it her autobiography.

Sounds like a fun board game.

ROFLMAO! WE should be the ones writing their biographies. We seriously know them better than they know themselves!

@Do The Kail: Which is sad.

Hopefully some that the girlses drawed.

Well mommy certainly can't drawed her name so Ali will have to

I like books with pictures ;-) haha

Countdown to inappropriate touching confession in 3...2...*she needs attention pointed at someone else*...1!!

Ah ok. Thank God... Man if I'm pregnant I'm going to have the hardest time not eating sushi. no booze will seriously suck too..

Sorry about the typos! I'm on my phone.

Don't worry about the typos as I'm having the same problem! I think the guidelines must be different here, unless they've changed since I had my second (19 months ago), I'll take your word for it though and remember for next time! Maci doesn't seem like the type of girl to read pregnancy books so maybe she doesn't realise you aren't supposed to eat certain foods, or maybe she just doesn't care, she's not exactly the most responsible person in the world - "I gave up drinking y'all, I can't give up Subway too!"

I'm sure eating subway once in awhile won't kill you. It's just like eating ceaser salad, tuna, and fish. Not going to lie, I ate subway once while pregnant. Nothing happened besides feeling very unsatisfied lol (not enough pickles or cucumbers haha). I also read tons of pregnancy books, and am a responsible mother.

That being said, Maci still sucks. She's going to be an old fart with multiple kids and still living in the treehouse.

I'm a bitch but wtvr I always thought she kinda looked like a man *shrug* I remember when 16 and preg and TM was first on, everyone was like SHE'S SOOOOO PRETTY! I was like WHERE?

I thought she was cute back when Teen Mom first came on, but never pretty or beautiful. She has aged a lot though, fair skin ages easily, add in smoking, drinking, probably drugs here and there, and she will probably look terrible in a few years.

She looks like a goddamn PEZ dispenser. Her big old pumpkin head resting on top of that skinny chicken neck. Yeesh.

But she's not fair ...well maybe she is under her coat of cheetoness. I know red heads normally are but the orange is throwing me off. Tanning beds age you like crazy. i used to use them but fucck that. LOL Catelyn's I'm dying. Yea and not to skinny shame whatever but I never found her 12 year old boy body attractive, although she's probably the type of chick that can eat everything and not get fat so I'm a bit jealous of that.

@Trap She was pretty pasty in 16 and pregnant. Just looking at old photos of her, I am pretty sure she got lip implants or tattooed liner to make them look fuller. Poor girl is a mess.

Tanning does completely eff up your skin. I am fair skinned and tanned regularly for years to fight Seborrehic (sp?) dermatitis. Last year I found some beds that got me super dark and went too often and now I am 25 with forehead wrinkles. Spray tans only for me now.

Oh my gosh, that's hilarious. I've commented before that Leah's bio dad reminds me of Lucky lol. Unfortunately for Kyyyyy he lacks Bobby's charisma. Albino bulldog as IBBB's Patrick liked to call him is still my favorite.

LOL that is so true! Dammit Bobby!

Oh my gosh, when Rhine asked if Kyle was slow? He was pretty much saying, "That boy ain't right."

I miss "King of the Hill". I need to watch it more.

Oh my God we're dicks but Jesus he was hideous. Just fucking hideous. Not like oh...like that bulldog is so cute it's ugly look just pplain fucking hideous as fuck. Like it almost looked painful to be that ugly. Lollll we're TERRIBLE. But seriously I think of all the "freaks" on American horror story, they have some deformities whatever, they are INFINITELY better looking than Kyle. Mannnnnnnnn can you IMAGINE their offspring? Bintlay is adorable but like Maci MIXED with Kyle....oh my gosh that's just wrong.

Hahaha right?! Sorry but holy wishful thinking of Kyle's mom to believe Bintley could possibly be related to Kyle.

What if Lori and Kyyyy are biological siblings? I can see it.

Yeah, poor man's rhine exactly. Maci looks like a skeleton with a wig.

I can see it. I will maintain that he reminds me so much of Jurmee/Lance Bass. I'm sure Jerm would see her as an upgrade. She probably bitches and moans about the same, and would totally spend his money if she got her hands on it, but she's a bit more chill

Crap on a cracker, I submitted too soon. I also wanted to add that Maci is also lazy like Leah. But Jerm doesn't seem to mind a whiny bitch, it seems like they're his speed. But Maci seems less crazy overall than Leah, and probably not on drugs. And as far as I can tell, she seems to do a better job of not having sex with everyone. So if this doesn't work out with Taylor, and Jerm's buffalo wild wings floozies don't work out, they can get together. Also, that will keep him off the market so that whore Javi doesn't get tempted to cheat on Tyler with him

Yeah Maci's not really a bad person like Leah has become. She's an idiot and self-centered as fuck, but she sadly was one of the better moms. She doesn't seem to bring TONS of men around Bintlay, I mean moving in with Kyle was really stupid, but like Jesus God Jenelle brought all of SC around Jace. Maci seems like she speaks English too so that's always a win over ms. drownding in dickses leah. And even though Maci's idiotic idea of being a journalist is ridiculous, it's better than Leah's stupid pyramid schemes to make money. Sorry if this is not all the way coherent i am tipsy lol

TTB I'm dying at drownding in dickses.

I love that you guys are always making fun of how much of a whore Leah is haha. Lots of other people would be like "OMGZZZZ STOP THAT's SLUT SHAMING!!1"